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Philippines.
New book of the Bible, Philippines.
Philippians 2, 12 through 16.
That's what we're going to
be reading through a little bit later on.
It's more of a lengthy
portion of Philippians 2
than what Tozer is going to
address at the very beginning.
I want to actually give out
some good news.
Well,
we had a lot of people watching and
all of a sudden it went down to zero.
I wonder what happened.
Yeah.
I mean, there was a pretty, I mean,
we're in definitely,
we're definitely in double digits, but oh,
now it's back again.
I don't know what's happening.
I don't know if people are, I mean,
there's a lot going on with
the internets.
The internets.
The internets and the cell phone services.
Weird.
There's a lot of, oh,
it went back to zero again.
What's happening?
I don't know.
It's very strange.
Oh,
so I wanted to make sure because we had
a lot of people watching to
let them know that you have
taken the first step
towards publishing your book.
I want to put it out there
because I want to make sure
she doesn't stop.
Oh, no stopping.
There is no stopping.
Those numbers are jumping
all over the place.
Yeah, it's really crazy.
So weird.
But that's really good news.
I'm really happy.
I'm looking forward to learning about you.
I think it's all stuff you already know.
And we have some great
people that are assisting,
some good friends of mine.
It's going to be a great collaboration.
Yes.
It's a collab.
But it's your story.
You're the author.
It's just, you know,
it helps to have good
editors and marketing and
that kind of stuff.
So it's going to be awesome.
We're really looking forward to it.
Again, go to Philippians 2, 12 through 16.
All right, we're going to read from, again,
A.W.
Tozier, For the Christian Leader.
It's February 23rd at the
time of this live broadcast,
and the title is Ungifted Hands.
Now, that doesn't apply to me.
No.
My hands are pretty gifted.
Very.
But are they gifted in playing the violin?
I could if I wanted to.
Oh.
I just have never tried.
Oh, I can't say that.
My kids have played violin
and I picked it up and yeah.
And I mess around and you know,
I sound like sticks, you know,
the band sticks,
they have a violin and that day.
Yeah.
The very first time I picked it up.
So Philippians two 13 is the
reference from a W and he's, and it says,
and this is King James, by the way.
And it says, for it is God, which worketh.
in you both to will and to
do of his good pleasure.
Amen.
The important thing is that
the Holy Spirit desires to
take us and control us and
use us in instruments and
organs through whom he can
express himself in the body of Christ.
Perhaps I can use my hands
as a further illustration of this truth.
My hands are about average, I suppose.
perhaps a little large for
the size of my body,
probably because I had to
do a lot of farm work when I was a boy.
But there is something I
must tell you about these hands.
They cannot play a violin.
They cannot play the organ or the piano.
They cannot paint a picture.
They can barely hold a
screwdriver to do a small
repair job to keep things
from falling apart at home.
I have ungifted hands.
You will agree that it would
be foolish for me to try to
bring forth any delightful
organ music using such ungifted hands.
Is it not appalling then to
think that we allow this
very thing to happen in the
body of Christ?
We enlist people and tell
them to get busy doing God's work,
failing to realize the
necessity of the Spirit's
control and functioning if
there is to be a spiritual result.
Move in our midst, O Holy Spirit,
that everyone in the body
may actively serve each one
using the gift they have
been given for your service.
Amen.
Let me put the emphasis on
where this particular
devotional's target is,
and that is on Christian leaders,
people putting together a
ministry or a church.
It applies to volunteers, too.
The volunteers, yes.
Yeah.
That when you are placing
people into positions of leadership and.
Don't make the plumber the chef.
Yeah.
That's a good one.
Yeah.
Pretty, pretty good.
He may forget to wash his hands.
Exactly.
Pretty sound advice.
People may think it's racist,
but you know.
Yeah.
Don't make an ungifted
person necessarily the associate pastor.
Yeah.
Make sure you put somebody
that's anointed and.
How many crappy people have
we met that are ushers?
Or been doing it too long.
There's that too.
Maybe at the beginning they were good.
This position is not suited for you.
Really, it's not.
You should not be the
greeter at the door of the church.
I like to request an employee change.
It's like at the McDonald's.
The other day I was there
with the kids and you go to
the drive-up speaker and you hear...
I go, I'm sorry, what'd you say?
I go, why?
And I tell my kids, I go, why?
Why do you put the person
that can't speak English in
the position of speaking to
the customers?
That should not be their
first contact with your company.
you can't understand a word
they're saying and you just
get frustrated and say
forget it um sometimes you
can sometimes I i have it's
hard yeah so they know that
you're a capital it's like
going to el poyo loco and
they say sorry we're out of
chicken yeah that's
unacceptable what would you
like to order and it
actually happens to us
quite regularly but um I
think it's also this whole
thing about ungiftedness I think
We enlist people and tell
them to get busy doing God's work,
and yet we don't care
whether there is a spiritual result.
That's so serious.
We put people in charge of
children's ministry because
we just need bodies who
have no business being in
charge of children.
I think that's a huge problem.
I think all kinds of
misplacements out of
necessity for warm bodies.
And then we tell ourselves
these lofty spiritual excuses like, oh,
it's OK.
God will provide and it'll
be in and out with the Holy Spirit.
We just pray about it.
And we use all these
Christian needs to make up
for just poor judgment.
Well, in our meeting today about your book,
you asked something that I
asked when I was that I
look for when I was writing my book.
And that was an editor that
was a Christian and
somebody that had an
education in theology.
That was important to me because I don't.
At the time I was writing my book,
especially did not have the
background to be able to
depend on my analysis
because I wanted to make sure and use
you know good sound stories
along with some scripture
and things that a christian
or potential christian
could take away as
something that is directly
tied to the bible and do it
well right I couldn't leave
that to myself
because I did not.
Well, I asked them,
I just wanted to make sure
that the editor is a
Christian to understand my perspective.
Correct.
If they didn't understand
having a radical encounter with Christ,
my book's going to make no sense to them.
Yes.
So, of course, I mean,
that's exactly what we're
talking about here is that
when you're employing
somebody or using somebody
and you need them to do
something in particular,
if it is for the church,
make sure they have the
skills and the gift.
Seems intuitive, but you would think.
You would think.
I like the way he says,
I have these ungifted hands.
You don't put me in charge of the violin.
Right.
Or repairs.
Because he doesn't know how
to use a screwdriver.
You want to get to the
comments first or you want
to go to the scripture?
All right.
Let's see what people are
having to say here.
We're going to move this
just so we can see the comments better.
And it's all yours, Snooks.
Okay.
Hey, everyone.
Say hello.
We have Kate.
We have Lisa and Carrie.
Hello, ladies.
We've missed Yvonne.
Nice to see you again.
And Philippians.
Yeah.
Great news.
Thank you.
I am super, super excited.
So Kate says, wow, I'm jealous.
You have promoters and editors.
Well done.
India getting started in
that is the hardest part.
Yes, absolutely.
It is absolutely the hardest part.
The Lord has literally been
yelling it in my ear for
over six months now.
So.
It's time to put the pedal to the metal.
Along with the audience.
I repent of jealousy.
Hello, my KKK clan.
Thank you for adding an extra K, yes.
There we go.
You know,
somebody's going to take a screen.
Go ahead and go back to Kate's.
I know,
and that's why I'm not going to put
it back up.
Gifted with what if the
questions to perfect.
Wait.
Gifted with what if
questions to perfect
product but don't know how
to create systems.
What are you saying?
What does that mean?
You have to have the systems
in order to create a good product.
You can have the product.
Oh.
But if the systems aren't in
place to make sure that you
can deliver the product,
at least this is what I'm
getting from Kerry,
deliver the product and
support for if something
goes wrong with the product,
that there's other things
that need to be in place
along with just the one thing.
Okay.
The supporting.
Hey, Kevin.
Hi from Michigan.
Andy's actually going to be in Michigan.
I am?
Yeah.
When?
End of March.
Am I anywhere near Fenton?
You're not going to be near Fenton.
But Kevin is a couple miles east-west.
He's either east-west, north,
or south of Fenton.
One of those directions.
Andy got it, yeah.
I'm slow on the uptake sometimes.
If it's not in my field of expertise,
it's very hard for me to grasp.
I like when you look at me like,
what are you uh-huh-ing about?
Well, because it's
I love it when you do that.
If I don't get it, how do you get it?
I'm smart like that.
Yvonne says,
I can't imagine getting
started to write a book.
It's a daunting task.
What is the title?
Well,
my editors are going to help me
decide on the final title.
But to be fair,
the start of the book is
articles that I've written
for the Christian Post for
two and a half years.
So it's basically and I have a screenplay.
uh for a movie I wanted to
do about my story so it's a
it's a little bit of a
memoir and a little bit of
a self-help a christian
kind of overcoming
achieving victory but um
living fearless will be in
the title somewhere uh for
branding purposes but from
the desert to the sea I am
not gonna say I can't I
started in the desert
Maybe from the palm trees to the sea.
From Fenton to Yorba Linda.
There you go.
I got paid to break computer systems.
Yes.
Nice.
Well, that's what we talk about.
Thank you.
In the past,
when I've created online
programs and things like that,
is that we put it out there
so people will break it.
You put it out there for
pre-launch for breaking on
purpose because you want to
make sure that you fix all
those little bugs right off the bat.
So Carrie was a breaker.
Awesome.
Housebreaker.
Homebreaker.
Oh, no.
She's been married for like donkey years.
Hey, how's my hair look?
I got my hairs cut.
Very nice.
Yeah.
And for the first time,
I got a facial too.
Oh, sorry.
Sorry.
Nobody wants to hear about that.
Thank you, Lisa.
We're talking about my book right now,
not your hair.
Not my facial.
Not your facial.
You left the lady speechless
when you mentioned you got a facial.
They were like, you're doing what?
Yeah.
It was actually pretty neat.
They went like this with my face.
Yeah, you got a massage.
Face and head massage.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
And anyways,
so we're going to move on to
the scripture now.
Philippians 2,
we're going to go through 12 through 16,
very famous passage of scripture.
Therefore, my beloved,
this is Paul talking.
As you have always obeyed,
not as just in my presence only,
but now much more in my absence,
work out your own salvation
with fear and trembling.
For it is God who works both
in you to will and to do
for his good pleasure.
Do all things without
complaining or disputing,
or as other versions say, grumbling,
that you may become
blameless and harmless
children of God without
fault in the midst of a
crooked and perverse generation,
among whom you should shine
as lights in the world,
holding fast the word of
life so that I may rejoice
in the day of Christ that I
have not run in vain or labored in vain.
So some things I want to
point out that you work out
your own salvation with
fear and trembling.
Now we don't work to get saved.
What he means is after you've been saved,
honor that salvation and
work towards your
sanctification and keeping
the word in your life and
obeying God's commandments.
So it's having a reverence
for the fact that God is,
It's with you.
And as Pastor Josh was
saying yesterday in our
community group about
abiding in you and abiding
in me is that it is it is a
gift that he's always with
you and never leaves you.
So don't embarrass him as a
result of the fact that
he's always present and
live your life accordingly
to honor the fact that he's
always present.
And then the other thing I
wanted to add is that it is
Paul saying to us, basically,
just don't embarrass me.
And can you imagine that
Paul stands at the doors of
heaven and thinks, oh, my God,
there's there's John.
He is so embarrassing.
Like,
how did he how did he even make it in
here?
I can't I can't.
Really?
You're still here.
You know what I mean?
Like, you just don't want that.
poor apostle Paul to be
embarrassed when we come into the kingdom,
like you actually made it, you know,
as opposed to well done,
my good and faithful servant.
Yeah.
The other thing from last night,
and I'm glad you brought
that up because that's what
I immediately thought about
is that there was the one
question about what is it that you want,
um,
what passion desire what
desire thank you what
desire do you want god to
bring into your life and
immediately um I thought
about the uh the the
practice of waking up every
morning with god reading
the bible yes um and then
even maybe doing a little
bit of research and and
looking further into
whatever it is you read to
really get to know him and
develop that relationship
um and in the beginning it
can be a little daunting
it's you're waking up a
little bit earlier you are
either like I'd like to go
somewhere and get away from
the distractions of being
in the house or even if
it's just going downstairs
or even just sitting up in
bed whatever that is that's
that creation of that that strong desire
do it that you have that you
you not only want to do it
but it's almost this
feeling of this is my
passion now this is what I
want to do um and then in
our discussion there's
possibly some people in our
group that aren't quite
there that when you bring
it up to them and go oh you
know you see right away
like oh I just have such a
hard time like so
immediately the defeat of
is is what I feel like this
is telling me is how do we
move from complaining and
feeling as if it's work
spending with god like
where where when does that
happen is it is it should
it happen and if you're
born again shouldn't you
not have that feeling I've
watched you change because
you used to and everybody
in this audience can attest
to that yes you used to
complain that you had the same problem
I want to read so bad.
I don't know why I don't read.
I got to preach.
You know what I mean?
And then it just hit you.
Yeah.
So what is that?
That's what I mean.
So what is it?
Is it the Holy Spirit?
Is it God?
Or what is it that is changed in me?
I think it's a sanctification process.
It's the working out your
salvation with fear and trembling.
It's the way Pastor Jack,
Pastor Jack's so good at
describing the tension
between the human being and
his desires and the Holy Spirit.
He describes that constantly
so that we know whether
we're born again believers or not.
So he's like, you want to do this,
but there's this spirit in
you that's saying, oh,
you really want to do that?
Or the spirit's nudging you
towards doing something.
You're like, wait,
I'd rather do something else.
But the spirit's like, oh, read.
No, get up.
Read.
That tension.
And that's what makes you
aware of the presence of
the Holy Spirit in your life.
And so –
Even in your discussions of it,
it was clear the tension was there.
The spirit finally won, basically.
And so we pray that for every believer,
that in every battle of their life,
the spirit eventually wins.
So happy.
Right?
Amen.
So am I. I mean,
I can really tell the
difference because when I read now,
I can see it.
and I'm absorbing it unlike before.
Like where I'm at in Exodus,
and what's one after Exodus?
Numbers or Deuteronomy?
Deuteronomy.
Oh, my gosh.
I had my where I'm at.
But it's talking about leprosy,
what it is you need to do
when you have leprosy.
And you look at the sores.
Like, I've never seen this before.
But it's deep, isn't it?
It's talking about what the
sore looks like and if it turns white.
And if your hair that is in
that sore turns white,
then you're unclean.
And then they put you in a –
you have to leave the tent.
Yeah.
and sleep outside for like weeks.
And then it talks about your,
your house on the inside,
your house can get sores
and leprosy essentially is
what it's saying is that,
that there's these molds and things that,
that can happen.
And then you need to, you know,
vacate the house for a period of time.
And then you wait seven days
and you come back at,
if they've gotten better or worse,
depending on, you know, whatever.
And then it becomes unclean
or clean Leviticus.
Leviticus.
Yes.
It just came to me.
But I just,
is he sure that Exodus is before that?
Well,
it's in the order of the daily
devotional that I'm in,
not necessarily the Bible,
just the devotional that I'm in.
Because it went from Exodus to Leviticus,
and that's where we're at right now.
But it's so interesting to see things.
No, you're right.
It goes Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus.
Sorry about that.
Numbers.
Yeah.
But it's so interesting to see these.
It's like a brand new book
that I actually have read before.
Isn't that so crazy?
I can go,
I don't recall pages and pages of
all of these things.
How to kill a lamb.
And then if you can't afford a lamb,
then you need to get some
wheat or some flour.
Or a bird.
Then it goes to bird.
And then it goes to the... It's wild.
I love it.
People hate Leviticus,
but I think the laws of
Leviticus is fascinating.
I mean, I'm a jurist by training.
But I just love the laws.
It just makes you appreciate
Jesus even more than...
thank you jesus that's what
I felt like the whole time
I read it I was like thank
you jesus can you imagine
if we were still doing that
crazy things yeah oh my
gosh all right let's get to
some of these uh comments I
think we go up to here
somewhere uh andy your
personality is very much
like eddie's you're funny
and you like facials well
it's the first one I like
my first experience
Here he goes to the least
comfortable place.
He goes to the garage.
Oh, my God.
You do Bible reading in the garage?
Well,
some people have pretty nice garages.
Yeah.
You can't assume it's like Biden's garage.
Andy has been growing in the Holy Spirit,
not us.
It is God.
Amen.
Yeah.
Jesus,
time is when you feel most receptive,
and mornings are not that for me.
Afternoon is my best time.
Oh, my goodness.
I've never heard that.
I've heard evening and morning.
I've never heard afternoon.
Oh, Jan was helping out with Leviticus.
She's so right.
Thank you, Jan.
I was still on Yvonne's comment.
Oh, sorry.
Thank you.
Yes, Jan was helping out with Leviticus.
And Carrie says she
remembers your homeless guy dilemma.
Yes.
I saw him yesterday.
Yesterday morning.
Do you still kick him some?
I asked him if I go, do you need any food?
He goes, I already had some.
Oh, nice.
Let's go outside the city.
Yes, the Leviticus laws gotta love them.
Lisa says the fellowship helps,
especially with gratitude
when you get to see people
change like Andy.
And I see and witness people
going ups and downs the way we talk.
I know I'm with my family.
Oh, that's so sweet, Lisa.
Thank you.
That's so that's so nice to hear.
And Carrie's in agreement.
Thank you, Carrie.
We love that.
And she said, no,
she has a very plain old garage.
As soon as you said some
people have nice garages,
I started thinking of those
lifetime shows,
like the people who do
stuff in their garages that
have like these fancy
floors and all the tools
and these special cases.
I suddenly thought of that.
But she's like, no, it's a plain garage.
Yeah, I had one.
I love my one garage in Riverside.
It was a woodshop.
Had all the tools and things like that.
I love walking in there
because it smelled like wood.
Nice.
Smelled like man.
Like Timmy the Tool Man.
Tool Time Timmy.
With old Budweiser smell?
Maybe a little bit of that too.
No Budweiser.
I never was a Budweiser fan.
Of course.
But I know what you're talking about,
that beer smell.
Right.
A little bit.
But more wood.
A lot of times burnt wood
because I would leave the
wood on the blade too long
and it would burden the wood.
Oh, okay.
You can't do that.
Like you just work too slow.
Speaking of,
do you ever make cedar plank salmon?
I have.
I was looking to find some cedar planks.
Yeah, you wet it.
You wet the cedar and yeah.
It's been a while, but yes.
Especially with a friend of
mine up in Washington,
outside of just north of Oregon,
across the... Yeah,
it doesn't matter where it was, does it?
No.
Yvonne's saying he lost me at... Yeah.
Yvonne's saying our garage
is filled with a 67-month
thing and parts and more parts.
We just have exercise
equipment and suitcases.
And a motorcycle with a flat tire.
Yes.
I love woodworking, too,
but not the man smell.
I wore deodorant,
so there wasn't that kind of smell.
Yeah,
and he surprisingly has no body smell.
It's actually kind of a cool thing.
Yeah,
when you've hung around Muslims all
your life.
Yeah, honestly, no joke.
Like, BO was a real thing.
It was really overwhelming at times.
I had to leave a city 10,000
miles away over that.
I'm so sorry.
It smells.
It was horrible.
Erin,
since you told me about your
experience at Mecca, oh, my gosh.
We love a lot of shows that have, you know,
terrorism themes.
And at some point they show
Mecca or something like it.
And every time I see it,
it's like scratch and sniff.
Like I smell.
It literally turns into scratch and sniff.
Even though he never smelt it.
I know what you're talking about.
been in enough homes right
as a police officer you go
into some nasty homes oh my
god and you wonder like do
they even smell I mean they
probably they live they've
lived there so long that
they no longer smell it's
kind of like the cat litter
oh no I smell the killer
but I don't um yeah I mean
some people just live nasty
lives and you just go my
mom had a nose that she
could smell something from a mile away
And so I think I got some of that nose.
Yeah, you did.
And as a rookie,
you had to go into all the
homes and you had to give
people CPR that you knew were dead.
Yeah, it was always, you know,
that's what it was as a rookie.
Do you think these days they
still do that?
I doubt it.
But you kind of, you do it, it's PR.
It's public relations.
Because everybody that's
there for their dead one, their dead one,
their dead one, their loved one,
who is now dead,
if they want to see you do something,
like at least try to revive them or try,
you got to, yeah.
And then you got some people
that have cancer and you're
doing the chest
compressions and the ribs
are breaking and you're
barely touching them.
I mean, it was horrible.
I'm so sorry.
This is really dark,
but it's the life of a police officer.
But my point was,
is that when you get a little seniority,
then you no longer have to do it anymore.
You just send the cookies.
Yeah.
Go check that out.
That looks like it smells complete.
You go put the toe tag on for the coroner.
How do we get on that subject?
Oh, the smell.
What does nose blind people smell?
Oh, people that have, oh,
like you can't smell well, Carrie?
Well, the nose of a blind person is very,
it's like a dog.
It's like the nose of a dog.
Yeah.
They can smell stuff.
When you get pregnant,
do you have that issue?
Only certain smells.
Oh, really?
Yeah,
I could not stand the smell of eggs
and coffee.
I did not want to smell.
I couldn't.
That's how I knew I was pregnant, actually,
because I was like, what is happening?
I couldn't drink my cup of
coffee because the smell
made me nauseous.
I have to bring up my ex-wife.
I hope you don't mind.
Sure.
So she was pregnant on our honeymoon.
Oh, right.
Yeah, the shotgun marriage.
Well,
I didn't know she was pregnant until
we were on the honeymoon.
But she knew.
Yes.
So she tells me she's pregnant.
But in Ireland, they burn soil.
What they burn in the stoves
is a mixture of grass and kind of mud.
Oh, to cook it?
Just for heat in homes.
So the entire country smells
like burning wet hay along
with some dirt.
With manure?
No, just like dirt.
It just smells... It doesn't smell great.
Okay.
But it's because of all the
fires that they're burning
in people's homes.
And it just so happens with
her nose that that was...
killing her and she could
not wait to leave Ireland because it,
because of the enhanced.
Oh, you know what?
You might have something there.
Cause it wasn't that kind of honeymoon.
Just so you know, it was not a honeymoon.
Like, well, you guys are going to be busy.
No, we didn't get busy at all.
That was like the worst honeymoon.
I go, wait a minute.
I thought the honeymoon meant shenanigans.
It was a non-shenanigan.
Well,
apparently you had already taken care
of the shenanigans.
So it looks like the
shenanigans that already occurred.
She's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right.
So I'm sorry I brought it up.
We got through that part.
Oh, suddenly I got the vertigo came back.
Hold on.
Let me,
I'm going to fall over in my chair.
All right.
So Carrie has a bloodhound
nose and Kate does too.
Finally two nose.
Yeah.
I have an average nose.
I wouldn't say it's particularly fine too.
If you have that kind of nose,
you don't want to be a
Muslim or a police officer.
Right.
Or a fireman because firemen
have to go into the same
places we have to go to.
Yeah, it's bad out there, folks.
I would have to stand outside.
I'd invite people out of their house.
I'd go, okay,
can you come out here and talk to me?
I'm getting a whiff of
what's in there and I'm not
going in there.
I'm just not.
I vote no.
Oh,
Kate's giving you a little explanation
of that.
Yeah, right.
I'm so sorry.
You think I know I've been
to Ireland like five times.
I should know what it's called.
But yes, it's like peat.
It's peat.
Not like peat.
It is peat.
It's a little bit smelly.
Not familiar with that.
I want to,
can I ask you about a phone call
that you had earlier today?
Yes.
I was busy getting my hair done and you go,
oh, and then you text me and says, hurry,
because I can't wait to
tell you about a phone call
I was just on.
What was that all about?
Well, folks,
the entire reason for my
website came true in this
phone call where most of
the people that have
contacted us have either
been from this podcast or
from Jack's podcast, Pastor Jack's.
But she said she Googled kid
turns to what do you do
when your kid turns to
Islam or becomes a Muslim
or converts to a Muslim Christian kid?
Something about what do I do for my kid?
And my name popped up and I was like, oh,
my God, is that really how you found me?
And she's like, yeah, I swear I did.
I otherwise did not know who you were.
And yeah.
That was just such a
blessing because that's and
I told her the Lord had put
on my heart that I was to
get his sons and daughters back.
And that's just my life's mission.
So we talked about how her
son had come to Islam and.
how he got involved and we
talked about pointers on
how to try to get him unentangled.
And it was just such a beautiful,
rewarding,
she gave me some great advice
about dealing with troubled children.
And it was just a wonderful
opportunity to pray with
someone and help them as best I can.
And just...
I, in the prayer I said to God, I was like,
wow, you are so,
you do the miraculous where
you bring people together
who in no other
circumstance in this world
would ever have known each other.
And you bring their hearts together.
Yeah.
um help them fulfill each
other's purposes and you
know and lift up our days
and so it was awesome where
do they live uh she lives
in seattle yeah I thought
one of the interesting
things uh that you told me
is that the father of the
boy uh he's an airline
pilot and one of his best
friends was on a plane uh
during 9 11 that was one of
the victims that was stabbed
decapitated, decapitated throat was slit.
Wow.
Yes.
And so, um,
you know as as kids can do
is that if they have a
particular issue with a
parent um will will do
things that you know in in
spite of the parent yes do
you think that that is a
possibility that this boy
went to islam because no I
mean that would be way too
dramatic uh leap I mean I
think he may be stubborn
about it now because the
family's so hostile to it
But he was enticed by a girl, you know,
he had.
social and emotional disturbances,
had a difficult time making friends,
had a difficult life, found a girl,
fell in love.
She was like,
you can't touch me until you convert.
And he was like, okay,
whatever I got to do to get this prize,
you know?
But now untangling that,
even though the relationship failed,
could be stubbornness, I think for sure.
Wow.
I love that.
And in whether you can,
whether the mom can bring
their son back from Islam
back to her arms in the
arms of Jesus is one thing
that would be amazing.
But but I think
importantly enough is that
she has somebody that
understands what she's
going through because it's
not something that's easy
for a parent going through it,
that they can just go out and share.
Oh, guess what?
My son is in Islam.
Like it's not very, it's,
it's like a hidden secret
of families right now.
And I, I was telling Andy,
I wanted to ask pastor Bob,
if we can create some kind
of support group or something.
Cause I think so many people
are actually struggling
with prodigals and
One way or another,
we have a prodigal prayer group,
but I think addressing the
specific issue of kids leaving the faith.
I think is is an important
one to address that because
there's all these kinds of
tips I think you can give.
um families that are
struggling with that and I
i had mentioned I'm sure on
the podcast too that one
time when I went to a
church and I talked to the
host about well how many
people do you think are
struggling with a child or
a loved one that went to
islam and she said I don't
know if there's any maybe one
and when I asked the room it
was a good 10 people in the
room that had that problem
so um I think a lot more
people are struggling with
it than we know they
struggle in silence the
first time I went with you
when you were speaking
somewhere then it might
have been chino hills
calvary chapel chino hills
I think was the first place
where you spoke on this
subject and I was really
surprised that how you know
I thought you would end the
speech and then we would walk out
But so many people wanted to
talk about it because they
either had a family member
or a friend or somebody
that was literally herself.
And I was going, wow, I didn't realize.
Yeah.
And we had a good and you
had a full room standing room only.
And that's, you know,
conservative Christian families.
So there are a lot more
people struggling with it.
Is there next steps that you
have with her?
Is there like another?
No, just go back to your family.
Talk to her, you know,
her son and friends that
they know nearby that could help.
And then just to make myself
available if I could do
anything in the future.
Wow.
A few comments there.
Yeah,
so Kate says something's going on
good with her website too.
She's getting a lot of
traffic from around the world.
That is fantastic.
I love that.
It is great.
What's the website again, Kate?
Kate,
will you put in the comments the
website address, please?
Yes.
Lisa said,
so amazing how easily even a
seasoned saint can forget
how awesome is the power of God.
Yeah, and just, Lisa,
just also having an
interaction with a complete
stranger where you feel his
power and his presence is so awesome too.
It's rejuvenating, I think,
for a new saint or a seasoned saint.
It's just always awesome to
see God on the move.
Just like Abram and Sarah
waited 25 plus years to
have a baby in their 90s.
It's a crazy, we have a crazy,
wonderful God.
Amen.
It's awesome having a prodigal website.
Many prodigals find it
difficult to cross the divide back.
Yeah, so true.
Kevin says, one of my best friend's son,
a PhD,
converted to Islam about 25 years ago.
Went to Catholic school,
worked at a pizza place owned by Muslims.
And when he was about 21,
he told his family he converted.
Oh.
Wow.
I'm sorry to hear that.
And I was explaining to her,
as I've written in several articles,
what I've gleaned from
conversations I've had, plus watching,
because the Lord had put
that on my heart to get his
sons and daughters back,
I needed to understand how they left.
I, unfortunately, was the cause of many,
many Christians leaving
Christianity for Islam.
So I have that experience as well.
But just being able to point
out some problems that lead
to why they leave,
solving those issues can
maybe possibly bring them back.
I don't know.
You were kind of like a pulp.
I was.
You weren't killing anybody.
No.
I wasn't persecuting.
I was stealing.
Stealing Christians.
Yeah.
But you came back with a fire.
Fire.
A love for Jesus that is beyond.
It's awesome.
Thank you, Lavi.
Lisa,
Darcy and I are going through Ray
Comfort telling other
people about the gospel and
answering questions and
practicing on each other.
Oh, wow.
So that would be a great prayer request,
too, to help keep us on track.
Oh, that's awesome.
Absolutely.
What a great project, Lisa.
I look into Ray Comfort more often.
He's spoken at Chima Hills.
Jack loves him.
Jack really likes him a lot.
I just got to spend more time with him.
Prodigal support is important.
Amen.
He says, as I talk to every Uber driver,
I leave invitation cards to
my church and God calling
cards from Barry McGuire
and all the cars that I
ride in and talk randomly
to people from time to time.
That's great.
That's fantastic.
Yes.
And Carrie says amen.
All right.
Kate says amen to Carrie's comment.
Yes.
All right.
Want to pray?
Yes.
I'm just going to, we don't,
other than Lisa's prayer,
I'm just going to run
through the prayers that I
know we have for good health of people.
Your new friend from tonight?
My new friend.
Yeah.
In our home church Sunday.
Yes.
Dear Lord,
you are a good and faithful God.
You can bring your sons and daughters back
From wherever they go,
wherever they drift away,
you will leave the 99 to find the one.
And we're so grateful for that,
that you will never leave
us or forsake us.
And you have a plan and a
purpose for our lives, not to harm us,
but to prosper us and for
our children and for our loved ones,
Lord.
And so we ask all those
prodigals that are out there.
drinking, womanizing,
living a gay lifestyle,
going to cults or religions
outside of a relationship with Christ,
Lord,
that you call your children back to you.
And may we be instruments of change.
May we be the vehicle by
which we bring children or
other lost ones back into the fold,
whether they're our own or
they're somebody else's, Lord.
May we be strong and courageous in
preaching your gospel,
but also just being an
oasis of safety where they
can come to us and find the
truth of the gospel and
find love and find compassion.
We ask that you bless Kate in particular,
who has
such an amazing testimony
and who has such a heart
for prodigals and those that are lost,
that she may be mightily
used for your purposes, Lord,
and carry Yvonne, Lisa, all of us, Lord,
that are at your service,
that offer ourselves as a
living sacrifice.
May we be used for the
kingdom of God and to
expand the kingdom of God.
We also ask for good health
for Kate and for Carrie,
that you continue to heal their ailments,
Lord,
and give them victory in their own
well-being.
And Andy,
you continue to heal his ear problems,
Lord, and general well-being, Lord.
We ask for strong bodies so
that we may serve the kingdom well.
We love you and we honor you
with all that we are and that we do.
And Lisa and Darcy, that you...
that you empower them with
the power of the gospel,
that you give them the
words that you've engraved
on their hearts already, Lord,
that the Holy Spirit will
remind them of what they
need to say at the right
moment to the right person, Lord,
and give them discernment.
We love you.
It's in the mighty name of
Jesus that we pray.
Amen.
Yes.
Oh, sorry.
Sorry, Jan.
I will actually add Jim also
to my prayers tonight.
Lisa says, I will never,
ever forget how I was
introduced to Hedy for
Pastor Jack's interview,
and that's how I got
renewed that day and being
renewed every time I get
fellowship with you guys.
Oh, you're so sweet.
Thank you, Lisa.
We love you.
And bless everyone here, Yvonne says.
Love you guys.
Have a wonderful weekend.
Happy Sunday.
We love you guys.
God bless.
Take care.
And goodbye.